| carlos | Wednesday, 16th August 2006 1:43pm - No.170 |
How can I connect together to get more high voltage, 2 plasma balls to create a kirlian photography.Each plasma ball has 1 cable out which is the high voltage terminal (TC).
By connecting them together will I get double voltage output?
Please can someone help?
Many thanks |
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| RMCybernetics | Wednesday, 16th August 2006 1:58pm - No.171 |
If you connect the outputs of two plasma globes, the combined voltage/current may be unstable. This is because both transformers are being driven independantly so the driving pulses will probably not be in phase with eachother.
To get more output voltage you would need to drive the tranformers 180 degrees out of phase from each other.
To do this you need to drive both your transformers from the same signal source. If you are not sure how to set this up, let me know and I will upload a diagram showing how it can be done.
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| luiz renato | Thursday, 17th August 2006 5:11pm - No.175 |
good afternoon to all,
I would like to know if one is possible to capture the image of the aura human being using computer webcam.
my e-mail: lrvcs@hotmail.com
bests regards!!
luiz renato |
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| RMCybernetics | Friday, 18th August 2006 6:23am - No.176 |
No it is not possible. There are no known scientific methods for visualising "auras".
Anyone claiming to sell such devices is giving out false information.
Any subtle electromagnetic fields from biological entities would be massivley overwhelmed by the techniques that are commonly used for "visualising auras". Even the electrical background noise in a house would be much more detectable than anything given off from living organisms. This makes it practically impossible to make visualisations of any subtle energy surounding a human. |
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| Carlos | Thursday, 24th August 2006 7:56pm - No.186 |
My message was about to get more output voltage you said that I would need to drive the tranformers 180 degrees out of phase from each other.Unfortunately I have not got a clue how to do that.You also mention that you may be able to upload a diagram for me.
Please could you do that and also if there is any other information that you may think may be helpful. It would be very much apriciated.
Many thanks
Carlos |
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| RMCybernetics | Friday, 25th August 2006 2:09am - No.187 |
 Please note: These instructions are intended as a guide, and there is no guarentee that this will not damage your plasma globes, set on fire or electrocute you. By following these steps you agree to be held responsible for your the outcome of your activities.
Step One - Phase Matching
This diagram shows the transistor on each plasma globe. It will be attatched to a metal heatsink which should be left in place. I'm not sure if the transistor will be a TIP142, it depends upon your globes manufacturer. If the E, C, B pins are not marked on your board, you should look up the datasheet for the transistor you have on Google. if you cant find this, let me know and I'll have a look.
Here you are disconnecting the base (B) pin of the transistor of plasma globe B (pgB), and connecting it to base pin of plasma globe A (pgA). This is so that the signal source that is driving 'pgA' is simultaniously driving 'pgB'.
You also need to make a 'common ground'. This is done by connecting the -ve terminal from each plasma globes together. The -ve of the power connector is usually the outside terminal.
These two plasma globes are now being driven in phase. This means the output voltage from each is the same level at the same time. You could now connect the two outputs together to effectivley make a supply with the same voltage, but twice the current of a single plasma globe.
Step two is an additional modification that can be done to get a higher output voltage. |
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| RMCybernetics | Friday, 25th August 2006 2:31am - No.188 |
 Step 2 - Driving 180 out of Phase
Now the transformers are being switched at the same time you can reverse the connection to one transformer and this will change the phase relationship of the transformer outputs.
Basicaly now when the transistors send a pulse to the transfomers the outputs will be of opposite polarity. Each indivitual transformer will have the same output voltage relative to ground as before, but now they are out of phase so you can measure the voltage between the two HV outputs.
For example: If the normal plasma globe (pgA) is currently outputing +10kV, the other (pgB) will be outputting -10kV, making a total of 20kV of potential difference between the terminals.
The polarity of the outputs will switch between +ve and -ve thousands of times a second, but because they are both being driven from the same signal source, therfore they should allways be equal and opposite. |
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| barry | Tuesday, 21st November 2006 10:59pm - No.484 |
| How big a gap should there be between the 2 plates of glass with your salt water plate? |
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| RMCybernetics | Tuesday, 21st November 2006 11:06pm - No.485 |
The two sheets of glass used to contain the salt water should be seperated by the smallest possible gap.
This can be difficlut in practice as a very thin space will be hard to fill with water without sealing in bubbles.
The one shown one this page has a gap of about 3mm which was simply determined by the thickness of the plastic used to make the inner frame. |
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| barry | Wednesday, 22nd November 2006 8:44pm - No.502 |
| thanks for that info, thats a great help. another question though...do you have to use sea water or can i just make some salty water using salt and water..if so how much salt and how much water? thanks |
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| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 23rd November 2006 12:01am - No.504 |
| You can just use ordinary salt. The more salt you add, the more conductive the solution will be. You could keep adding salt to hot water until no more will dissolve. Let it settle and cool before using it otherwise it may remain slightly murky. |
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| barry | Thursday, 23rd November 2006 12:08pm - No.509 |
Excellent service you are providing here. Sorry, but I have yet another question.
The electrical connection to the salt water - Is it just the bare end of the wire that is in contact with the salt water or do I have to make a bigger contact with copper sheet or something? |
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| barry | Thursday, 23rd November 2006 12:11pm - No.510 |
| Following my previous post - In the picture of your conductive salt water plate I see what I suspect is the water inlet with a plug in it but there are also what looks like 2 wire connections. One on the left and one on the right. Why 2? |
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| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 23rd November 2006 12:45pm - No.511 |
It's not neccesary to use two electrodes like we did. The device shown was also used to contain a vacuum which could have high voltage between the terminals.
For the saltwater filled one, you just need to have a wire touching the water somewhere. It may help to use a long wire, or even loop it around the inside edge so that the electric field spreads more uniformly.
With the one shown, the electrcal connection was made to just one electrode. |
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| barry | Saturday, 25th November 2006 8:38pm - No.518 |
 I have made a salt water filled plate and have managed to find an automotive coil from a car breakers. Can you please give me some help with the circuitry. I have tried the attached circuit but it does not work. I think that perhaps I am being a bit too simplistic. I have seen various circuits, some involving capacitors and and some with a lot more complexity. I am keen to keep things as simple as possible. Any advice would be great. |
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| RMCybernetics | Sunday, 26th November 2006 2:18am - No.519 |
 The coil needs to be pulsed to produce a constant supply of HV. If you just connect a battery to it using a switch (like shown in this diagram) , then you will only see a single spark when the switch is released.
The Ignition coils output voltage is proportional to the rate of change of input current. This means that when you release the switch, the current will change from fully on to zero in a very short time, causing a high voltage on the output.
The other circuits you've seen are used to switch the power to the coil on and off very fast so that there is constant(ish) output. You can see example circuits on the ignition coil driver page, and the pulse generator page. |
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| barry | Tuesday, 28th November 2006 5:10pm - No.528 |
I have put together the revised circuit you posted but I am still getting no spark. I am a complete novice so maybe one of the following points will immediately reveal to you why my circuit does not work.
a)For a ground I have hammered an aluminium pole into the earth just outside the shed I am working in.
b)Instead of a battery I am using a 6 amp battery charger.
c)Instead of a leaf for a subject I have just placed the end of the HT lead very close to a wire connected to my ground.
d)Instead of a switch I physically touch the chargers positive cable on to the coils terminal to make and break the circuit.
Please help |
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| RMCybernetics | Wednesday, 29th November 2006 9:00pm - No.532 |
The GND connections should also both connect to the battery -ve terminal.
A 6V charger may not be able to provide enough current. A 12V battery is reccomended.
You are unlikley so see any kirlian type photos when using a switch or a connector. You really need to pulse it at a higher frequency with a special circuit. The best you can expect with your current setup is a few sparks and flashes. |
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| barry | Saturday, 2nd December 2006 6:49pm - No.544 |
| I am now powering my circuit with a 9V battery and have used a relay connected up to pulse the flow. I am using the charger to power the relay because I cant work out how to do otherwise. I am getting good continuous sparks now.I have just connected up a leaf to the ground and started it all up. Nothing! I now suspect that my solution between the glass plates is not conductive enough. Is there another conductive liquid that can be used? Also, how good a contact does the leaf need to have with the conductive plate. Should it be squashed flat against it or what? Thanks in advance. |
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| RMCybernetics | Sunday, 3rd December 2006 5:03pm - No.548 |
I wouldn't expect that the concentration of your saline solution is the problem, but it could be the volume. With a larger volume of water, more current is necessary because it tends to act like a ground plane absorbing the energy.
An alternative is to switch the polarity of the setup so that the window is connected to ground and the sample is connected to the HV source.
This can be more tricky, but the effect is almost the same.
The corona produced is only very faint. It needs to be viewed in total darkness after your eyes have adjusted to the dark. To take the photos shown here it was neccesery to leave the camera shutter open for several seconds just to get enough light.
The sample needs to be in direct contact with the glass of the transparent electrode. As much of the sample as possible should be touching it to get a good image. |
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| abhijith v kurup | Saturday, 7th April 2007 4:55pm - No.1086 |
hi
i hav a few doubts
1) where should the sample be placed? is it like this? sample above the first glass and glueing the frame on it and filling the salt water between the frame and the second glass piece?
2)should the sample be in contact with salt water
plz reply soon
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| RMCybernetics | Sunday, 8th April 2007 3:32pm - No.1093 |
| The salt water is entirely contained between two sheets of glass. This is then placed over a sample object so that you can look through thee glass to see the effect. |
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| abhijith v kurup | Sunday, 8th April 2007 6:52pm - No.1106 |
i am sorry to bother you again. i hav some more doubts.
1) can i use a capacitor instead of a coil?
2) how can the image be formed if the sample is not in touch with the salt water?
3) what should be the power of the battery?
4) will increase in the quantity of salt water give better effect?
bye, and thank you for answering my previous questions. |
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| RMCybernetics | Sunday, 8th April 2007 7:02pm - No.1108 |
1) - A coil/transformer is needed to step up a low voltage source to a high voltage.
2) - The image is formed bacause there is a high voltage between the sample and the salt water. The voltage needs to be high enough so that the air becomes ionized. The purple glow is called corona discharge.
3) - This would be part of whatever high voltage supply is used.
4) - A small volume of salt water is better |
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| abhijith v kurup | Sunday, 8th April 2007 7:20pm - No.1110 |
one more question my friend!
1) what should be the voltage of the transformer? |
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| RMCybernetics | Sunday, 8th April 2007 7:29pm - No.1111 |
The output voltage should be at least a few kV. 10kV is not uncommon.
The output must be current limited for saftey
A small battery operated transformer such as an ignition coil will be low current by design. |
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| pop | Monday, 9th April 2007 4:26pm - No.1119 |
| what kind of transformer should used? |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 9th April 2007 5:09pm - No.1121 |
| Ideally nothing larger than an Ignition coil or flyback transformer driven from a low voltage source. |
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| Dabuda | Tuesday, 10th July 2007 1:38am - No.1426 |
For the Pulgenerator what can be a good starting frequency to test? I know that this will depend on the Coil used but can you provide me with some guide.
The duty cicly shall be less than 50%?
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| RMCybernetics | Tuesday, 10th July 2007 10:03am - No.1428 |
Frequency is in the audio range for most ignition coils, so say from about 50Hz to 20kHz. For kirlian photograpy it is often best to use the higher frequency end of that range.
Duty cycle is usually 50% or lower to prevent the transformer core from saturating. |
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| dabuda | Wednesday, 15th August 2007 7:47pm - No.1596 |
| When building the transparent conductive plate what is a good gap (where the water with salt goes)bewtween teh two glasses? and electrode (Wire) is in contact with the water? Also for te hexposition how long shall be to get the foto? |
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| RMCybernetics | Wednesday, 15th August 2007 10:36pm - No.1597 |
 The total volume of salt water needs to be quite small. The electrode used here had a gap of 2-3mm. Yes there must be a wire in contact with the water.
The exposure depend on lots of things like the type of camera/film and the power in the HV power supply. This image was about 10 seconds with ISO 800 film. |
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| marnae green | Friday, 19th October 2007 12:19am - No.1980 |
| how do you make a transparent HV plat using salt water.If it is possiable can you tell me step by step on how to make it? |
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| RMCybernetics | Saturday, 20th October 2007 12:23am - No.1987 |
| Information is above |
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| marnae green | Saturday, 20th October 2007 6:04am - No.1992 |
| on the picture below it has something going to GND. what does the stand for. |
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| RMCybernetics | Saturday, 20th October 2007 1:15pm - No.1993 |
| GND represents Ground, Earth, or 0V of the power supply. |
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| marnae green | Sunday, 21st October 2007 4:08am - No.2002 |
| Ikinda get what it said to do but, I still dont know how to make the plastic part to wher you can fill it with water.If it is possible can you show me a different pictur on how to make the plastic part pleas and thank you. |
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| GRIM.657 | Saturday, 3rd November 2007 1:35am - No.2114 |
| I'm also curious about the glass... specificaly how thick you recomend it should be? (both the thickness of the glass, and how far apart the 2 pieces of glass are) |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 5th November 2007 1:09am - No.2122 |
marnae green, GRIM.657,
This image shows the assembled piece (left) and an exploded view (right) to show the individual parts. Silicon sealant or epoxy resin is used to fix and seal all edges.
Salt water can be poured into one opening using a funnel or syringe. When the water reaches the air outlet, both tubes can then be sealed.
You must ensure that the inside edge of the electrode is in contact with the salt water when in use. |
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| marnae green | Saturday, 10th November 2007 8:54pm - No.2157 |
| I just wanted to say thanks 4 every thing. |
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| marnae green | Monday, 12th November 2007 12:27am - No.2163 |
| the pictur u sent me has something that says electrode/fram what is that and can I use aluminum foil? |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 12th November 2007 6:08pm - No.2168 |
| The frame I used had the same plastic frame but with part wrapped in foil for the electrode. This worked quite well, but salt water will corrode Aluminum so the electrodes will have a limited lifespan. You could use a solid metal or carbon piece, or just empty out the salt water when it is not being used. |
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| marnae green | Monday, 12th November 2007 10:26pm - No.2170 |
| does the salt warter have to be salt warter from the ocean or can I make it from regular salt. |
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| RMCybernetics | Tuesday, 13th November 2007 2:28pm - No.2175 |
| Any salt will do. |
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| marnae green | Friday, 16th November 2007 1:12am - No.2188 |
| does the plant have to be in the HV plate |
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| RMcybernetics | Friday, 16th November 2007 1:15am - No.2189 |
| No. You place the window on top of the sample so you are looking through the window to see it. |
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| marnae green | Saturday, 17th November 2007 5:06am - No.2193 |
| thank u 4 everything. |
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| marnae green | Sunday, 25th November 2007 11:02pm - No.2225 |
| does the leaf have to be hucked to a ground wire. I did the project but i didi not see the leaf glow. is ther a way u can met me some where so u can help me. if not can u give me any suggestion on what i'am doing wrong. |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 26th November 2007 2:19pm - No.2231 |
| Yes, it will help significantly if the sample is grounded. We are based in UK nr Manchester if you wanted a demo |
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| dave | Tuesday, 27th November 2007 9:56pm - No.2241 |
How would I connect a 12v battery, a car ignition coil and a car ignition module to produce the HV required. Basing the circuit on a car ignition system, excluding the distributor. Do you have any diagrams for something like this? So far my search has been unsuccessful, would appreciate any help,
many thanks. |
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| RMCybernetics | Wednesday, 28th November 2007 9:32am - No.2246 |
| Check this Ignition Coil Driver Circuit |
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| dave | Wednesday, 28th November 2007 4:14pm - No.2254 |
I have little experience with circuits. Would an ignition module suffice, in place of this circuit? Obviously it would depend on the module model, but do you know an approximate method of wiring the components I mentioned earlier (including the module).
thanks again. |
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| RMCybernetics | Wednesday, 28th November 2007 7:03pm - No.2255 |
An ignition module would not work as it still needs a timing signal which is usually generated from some moving part in the engine or a circuit like linked above.
You could use our Power Pulse Modulator as long as a snubber is also used or the power is kept low. The snubber design would depend upon the type of ignition coil you have and the frequency you wish to use. If you know these parameters we can also provide a snubber. If you don't know you could buy one of our ignition coils and we could create a matching snubber for it. |
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| James | Saturday, 1st December 2007 7:18pm - No.2283 |
Try this simple circuit using only a capacitor (ignition condenser is good), relay and battery: http://tesladownunder.com/HighVoltage.htm#Sparks%20for%20beginners
The relay coil is wired in series with its normally closed contacts forming a buzzer. The contacts are bridged with the capacitor and the ignition coil is paralleled with the relay coil. You might want to place a 10 watt resistor in series with the ignition coil to limit the current if necessary.
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| marnae green | Wednesday, 5th December 2007 11:10pm - No.2293 |
| how do you houck up the hv plate with 2 wires.how much salt warter do i have to put in the plat. |
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| marnae green | Wednesday, 5th December 2007 11:25pm - No.2294 |
| can i use a car battery to power up the hv plate.if not wath can i use. |
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| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 6th December 2007 1:37am - No.2297 |
One wire from the High Voltage Supply connects to the electrode(s) in the water. Another wire connects from the sample to ground/earth.
A car battery will not work. You need at least 1000 times more voltage. |
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| marnae green | Thursday, 6th December 2007 1:38am - No.2298 |
| what type of camra can i use. |
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| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 6th December 2007 1:40am - No.2299 |
| Any camera which has a feature for adjusting the exposure time to several seconds. |
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| marnae green | Thursday, 6th December 2007 1:52am - No.2300 |
| where can i get a battery for cheep that has 1000 voltage |
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| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 6th December 2007 1:54am - No.2301 |
| You can't. You need some sort of device to generate a high voltage. This is mentioned at the top of the article. |
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| marnae green | Thursday, 6th December 2007 2:27am - No.2303 |
| do you have a number or email address that i can reach you from |
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| marnae green | Thursday, 6th December 2007 2:51am - No.2304 |
| where can i get 1000 voltage supply for cheep like 10 or 20 max dallors from |
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| marnae green | Thursday, 6th December 2007 3:01am - No.2306 |
| how do you hook up a hv plate that has two wires in it. |
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| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 6th December 2007 6:39pm - No.2312 |
You can email us using the form on this page.
It needs to be at least 10,000 volts. I don't know where you could get one so cheap.
You don't need 2 wires inside the plate. If you have more than one, just join them together. |
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| marnae green | Friday, 7th December 2007 3:31am - No.2314 |
| thank you 4 your time and help |
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| marnae green | Friday, 14th December 2007 2:50am - No.2344 |
| can I use a reglar poloriad 600 exposure camra |
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| RMCybernetics | Friday, 14th December 2007 11:43am - No.2345 |
| Yes, if you remove the film as described in 'Method A' |
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| marnae green | Monday, 7th January 2008 3:55am - No.2412 |
| Hi, how are you doing I appricaite the info you gave me, but it is still confusing. On the diagram it shows a battery for a power supply, but in one of the message you sent, it says you cant use a battery. So what type of inexpensive power supply can I use,and also the other parts I need to make it work in details from start to finish please and thank you. |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 7th January 2008 12:01pm - No.2413 |
I assume you refer to the diagram 'barry' posted. This shows a battery connected to an ignition coil using a switch. This will not work. My reply states that the power to an ignition coil needs to be pulsed rapidly using a specialized circuit.
The cheapest ignition coils will be found in a local scrap yard for just a few quid (bucks). The best way do drive the coil is with an adjustable frequency circuit, but the cheapest way is to wire up a relay to self oscillate. A self oscillating relay will pruduce some HV, but I can't say how well it will work for a kirlian photo. |
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| Paul | Sunday, 13th January 2008 1:08am - No.2436 |
| Mains - Dimmer - Capacitor (few uFs, say 4.7) - coil - Mains... |
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| Paul | Sunday, 13th January 2008 1:11am - No.2437 |
| But careful... Huge current... Do not touch... You could maybe experiment with much lower capacities... 1 nF, or something... |
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| james winters | Saturday, 26th January 2008 5:20pm - No.2505 |
Did I miss it. Can this photography at all be done with a midlevel digital camera? I mean, with software, I suppose? (Thinking of oraganic foods photos.)
What I have is a Sony DSC-H9 |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 28th January 2008 11:48am - No.2508 |
Yes. The requirements for good results are as follows:
Adjustable shutter speed
High ISO
Wide Apature (Important)
Self timer or remote (to avoid vibration)
Zoom or Macro lense
I think your camera has these features so it should do ok. Please upload a pic you are successful. The most recent of my plasma photos were taken with a Pentax K10D with a 2.8f apature lense.
You can see an example setup here |
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| Roberta Docherty | Monday, 14th April 2008 3:41am - No.2713 |
| I wanted to buy a Kirlian Camera but I found out that the film is not going to be made anymore because of the digital cameras. I am technically challenged. Does this work with digital?? |
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| RMCybernetics | Monday, 14th April 2008 11:55am - No.2717 |
| Yes. The most recent photos on the plasma page are all digital. |
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a high voltage supply. You will be able to observe the effect without
the need for a camera but it is quite faint. To get a brighter image take
a photo with a long exposure so more light is captured.
Many
people claim that this sort of photo is showing the "life force"
or "aura" of living things. This is something many pseudoscientists
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