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Existence of Higher dimensional space & Perception of timeBy Engineer Saviour - Blaze Labs The observation that spatial dimensionality is limited to three dimensions has been for long a puzzle to scientists. Our mathematics do not limit us to three dimensions. Why are there only three dimensions? We are 3D observers, and this makes it easy for us to conceive the observed reality as 3D. We can also quite easily conceive a 2D universe as a subset of our 3D universe, and we see how complex the explanations can get in a 2D universe, for events we find simple in our 3-D universe.
The relativity theory made spatial dimensionality elastic. The space-time continuum was conceived. Four dimensional space-time was proposed and attempts to visualize a 4-D space, as an extension of our 3-D world, became popular. We talk about 3-D space being curved around some 4-D sphere like the atmosphere around the earth. In science fiction, discussion of alternate planes, or dimensions of existence, have become ingrained. Religious "Heaven" has been moved from the stars and galaxies to these alternate dimensions. In this section I will show you how to scientifically understand higher dimensions, which will hopefully lead you to better understand the higher dimensional universe which we all form part of. Many modern physicists, in their attempts to unify theory, have proposed the existence of many space dimensions beyond three. The multi-dimensional efforts at grand unification have indeed mathematically helped describe theory and predict experimentally observed facts, but attempts at 4D visualization seem hard indeed. We talk of extra dimensions being curled into minute 3D spaces. One should keep in mind what we are with respect to the space around us. The answer is that each one of us is a 3 dimensional spatial observation point in space, and that dimensionality is not a property of 'reality', but of the being, the observer. Instead, our spatial dimensionality is a characteristic of our conceptions, our mind. This means it is a characteristic, or property, of knowledge rather than of reality. Spatial dimensionality is a property of the observer rather than of the observed. So, is everything observed around us just an illusion? Not at all, the things around us will still exist even if no one looked at them. To say spatial dimensionality is a very powerful tool may be one of the all-time greatest understatements. However, if spatial dimensionality is a property of our knowledge, then it is not a complete universal truth, but just a shadow of the truth. The answer, of course, is that our spatial dimensionality is based upon what we see. Of all the senses which a typical person possesss, sight is the one which plays the greatest role in the perception and conception of reality. The perception of spatial dimensions does not have to be based upon sight, hearing or any of the other senses. Our eyes are essentially 2D arrays which sense light reflected from viewed objects. Therefore, we never actually 'see' three spatial dimensions. We see (perceive) stereographic 2D pictures. In our mind, we conceive the existence of a third dimension using two stereographic pictures. As you see, our mind is already 'too busy' converting 2D sensed data to reconstruct a 3D observation picture of reality. For humans to visualize a world in more dimensions than 3D is no trivial task. It may even be impossible, without physically modifying ourselves. If dimensionality is not a property of the universe, but of ourselves, then our attempts to 'visualize' 2D and 4D universes in terms of our 3D abilities is not only futile, it is nonsense. The reality perceived by a 2D being is the same reality as perceived by a 3D being and a 4D being. Their methods of description will vary greatly, but they are each attempting to describe the same thing. This alternative perspective on spatial dimensionality has offered a rational answer to the question of why do we conceive the universe to be limited to three spatial dimensions. The answer is the universe is not limited to 3D, and most scientific evidence points to higher dimensional universe, but it is we who are limited, due to our senses. Another dimensionality issue that is answered is that of the co-existence of multiple dimensions beyond three. This issue becomes nonsense. An object cannot pass to another plane or dimension of existence, because these planes or dimensions do not exist. No dimensions exist except in our minds.
Dimensions are powerful tools which we use to organise, live and understand the universe. It seems reasonable to believe that a being who can conceive an "n"*D universe can develop more elegant knowledge that a being who can only conceive an "n-1"*D universe. In essence, the more dimensions we can conceive, the more about the universe we can understand. TIME is only a way to organise information about the n*D universe, for all those mysteries which we have not been able to fit entirely into our (n-1)D spatial dimensionality framework. Remember the initial hypothesis was that a being who perceives "x" dimensions, will conceive the universe in "x+1" dimensions. We are now expanding the hypothesis to say that a being who perceives "x" dimensions, will conceive the universe in "x+1" dimensions where the "+1" is "time." Therefore, as beings may increase the total number of dimensions in which they perceive and conceive the universe, there will always be a temporal dimension to the universe for the beings. In the case of a limited dimensional universe of n*D dimensions, then the universe (reality) will be the being (the n*D observator) itself and that is the only possible non-temporal dimension. If we could increase our perception to 3-D so we could then conceive a 4-D universe, many phenomena which we now describe as occurring at different times would then be described as occurring at different spatial locations. The progressive increase in spatial dimensionality moves explanations from the infinite reservoir of "time" to spatial locations. However, even though the number of spatial dimensions may increase without bound, the conception of "time" remains constant for all beings, from 0D to 3D to "n"D. From these ideas one can deduct, that we are 3D spatial observation points observing a multidimensional universe around us. For us 3D observers, the "+1" dimension cannot be spatially observed, so our mind perceives different 3D pictures changing through 'time'. Time being the "+1" dimension is so embedded in our minds, that subconscious brain functions may be "hardwired" to better enable its "conception". Current scientific knowledge is based on a 3D based reality which seems to get in trouble when small dimensions of length or time are involved. Science is now talking of energetic particles that randomly pop in and out of existence, which doesn't make sense if we do not try to understand how higher dimensional universe may work. It is a fact that at the time of writing, the best candidate unified theory is fully compatible with this higher dimensional space theory, namely the supersymmetry. Supersymmetry is an idea that has been around for decades. It states that every boson has an associated fermion and vice-versa. So a quark, which is a fermion, has a supersymmetric imaginary partner called a squark, which is a boson. Likewise a photon, which is a boson, is teamed up with the photino, a fermion. None of the proposed supersymmetric particles have ever been detected. Scientists say this is because current particle accelerators are just not powerful enough. Science knows that these imaginary components MUST exist, but will never be able to detect/isolate them with the current methods, for the simple reason that they are imaginary. Note that the term 'imaginary' is a mathematical term and does NOT mean 'non-existent'. Any form of matter interpreted in our space-time dimension can be mathematically expressed as a complex (Complex = Re+Im) function of space and time. Lately, some evidence that supersymmetry is real may have emerged from a study of gold and platinum atoms. Teams from the Ludwig-Maximilians University in Munich and the University of Kentucky in the United States have used the Tandem accelerator in Munich to bombard gold atoms with sub-atomic particles. The results of the interactions between the targets and the projectiles, they say, can only be explained by supersymmetry. This is the way to go, since we can only observe these imaginary particles through the motion of the real part. Next Page: Understanding
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| constantine | Thursday, 12th April 2007 3:06am - No.1139 |
| ok. i got a problem with this. say i habe a 4d friend that i can talk to (stick with me on this) were both sitting on my soffa arguing about who broke my toilet yesterday. he gets up to go to the loo, and walks into my loo yesterday. cos to him waking into a different time is like walking into a diffrent place. brakes my toilet then comes back to me and says "HAY YOU WERE RIGHT" cause and affect is buggerd is it not? would a 2 dimensional observer see me as a time traveler? how does that work? in which diretion do i have to walk to go back in time on a lower dimension? arghhh headache | |
| Haranadh | Monday, 16th July 2007 6:28am - No.1453 |
| I am also, facing the same problem in understanding the higher dimensions. If time is also another spatial dimension and from origin divide it into uniform intervals say 0,1,2,.. then we exist simultaneously at every point but we may engaged in different works... is it not? And walking from one spatial location to other spatial location may disturb the existence of the life at that spatial location. I feel time is not a dimension, it's a convention we use for our purpose and dimensionality is independent of time. | |
| RMCybernetics | Tuesday, 17th July 2007 11:02pm - No.1459 |
| This is a highly theoretical area of science and you may find that not all scientists will agree ow dimensions are organized. One idea is that time (as we see it) is just an illusion. All things past present and future exist together and all probability and outcomes also exist. With an infinite number of reality's existing we simply move from one version to the next, each one being slightly different, therefore giving us the perception of change. People like this because it allows us to keep some sense of free will and helps explain the mysterious random behavior of quantum particles. | |
| DimensionallyCallenged | Friday, 10th August 2007 2:37pm - No.1566 |
| In order to understand how movement in another dimension can be interpreted as time-travel, imagine a 2D world on a sheet of paper, but suppose the paper is folded into a semi-circle. Now in this 2D world, the speed of light would allow light to travel from one edge of the paper to the other in 5 seconds. Now imagine a 3D being on one edge of the paper that walks through the diameter of the semi-circle, instead of walking along the sheet of the paper, arriving at the other edge of the paper in only 3 seconds. To all 2D beings, the 3D being just traveled through time arriving at a location faster than he possibly could have in a 2D world. This would be perceived as time travel not just fast travel because the 2D observers at the destination edge of the paper would still be receiving the light (and therefore the sight) of the 3D being BEFORE he left. Because of this the observers would see him as arriving before he left, or traveling from the future into the present. However time would still be traveling normally for the 3D being since time is relative to the observer. Now the problem with cause and effect is that these are a perception of a timely order of events, and all perceptions are limited by the capabilities of the observer. In order for your broken toilet situation to occur, both the 4D friend and yourself would have to perceive time the same way for you to even share the same concept of 'yesterday' which is unlikely as 'yesterday' for you is an event in your memory that can not be changed, but 'yesterday' for your 4D friend might be an alternate universe where the toilet was never broken. Further, the "cause and effect" nature of things is not a law of the universe but merely a pattern that was imposed by the observer on the series of events observed. The universe does not dictate that causes must always preceed effects, and many of the behaviors of the quantum universe are better understood as effects that preceed their cause. However we, as observers are not able to grasp that concept very well, as all of our perceptions show time flowing from past to future and never changing. This is also not a law of the universe, merely how we as observers perceive the flow of events. | |
| constantine | Tuesday, 6th November 2007 11:47am - No.2131 |
| thank you for all your responses. i was getting there but your points have made things much clearer (theoreticly) lol thanks again | |
| Glest | Thursday, 19th March 2009 3:21am - No.3694 |
| ...Where can I find a list of all theoretical dimensions? ...I think that one dimension would be going through a black hole (if it has a spin, then you can) and then ending up in another dimension. ...If time is not real, then movement would be impossible. Your speed is distance/time, but if time is zero, then it is impossible to move. I think that many people try to erase time as a dimension because they cannot comprehend it, or they are simply too lazy to think it out. ...Another dimension would most likely be if the universe is shaped in a concave or convex sphere. | |
| Joey | Wednesday, 27th May 2009 7:03am - No.3836 |
| You guys are all still thinking in three dimensions! Multi-dimentional existance, or (perception beyond our first three dimensions) means, for example: that you can exist in both the future, and the past. As quantum theory states, this is possible. For Instance: I exist both in the past, and in the future, therefore I can communicate with myself when the higher order dimensions intersect across the plain of my three dimensional existance. What do I chose to communicate? Well, first I must understand that the effect is possible, then test it over time, then retest, with a control. what I find is that one must not only be open to the possibility, but also be aware of when it is happening. This takes a great deal of practice and self control that I dought many humans have experienced in our short life-spans. We must consider time as a dimension, and master the use of it, before our understanding of the higher orders, can be developed. One cannot simple jump from a 3d universe to a 4D universe with a rudimentary understanding, then immediately jump to a 5D universe of understanding. One must learn the many facets of the use of each dimension and it's impact on our perception of the others, BEFORE progressing to the next perceptive level. Representing multiple dimensions in mathematics is not the same as understanding, or percieving these same number of dimensions, and how they impact your existance. However, understanding time as a dimension, helps one to grasp the fact that dimensions, as in mathematics, can be any additional linear direction Space, time, decision, consiquence, power, etc..... My question is: When a Theorist decides that there is a 5th 6th 7th ...Nth dimension, do these dimensions have a definition, or are we as yet so underdeveloped as to only give these dimensions notation without understanding? What happens in each of the nth Dimensions? In theory, can we as yet force movement of an entire object along the lines of these (n>4) nth dimensions, and once the movement is accomplished, can we move an object back to it's original position? Can we acconplish this on an atomic or subatomic level? Where is the evidence of the nth dimension? how does it manifest itself in ways we can measure or see, or have measured? Quantum theory is our gateway, can we please step through the gate. This is how we BEGIN our journey into the realm of higher dimensions. | |
| constantine | Thursday, 28th January 2010 2:00pm - No.4200 |
| just had a thought. was wondering why we are traveling in the direction in time that we are. why we cannt move in any other direction but from what we see as past to future. and why from our viewpoint cause always presedes effect. i was thinking, as the universe is expanding, from the big bang onwards the 4th dimension is also expanding, are we just riding te shockwave? if not, just what powers the ever ending ceasless travel through the 4th dimension. i cant believe it is "free" all motion needs energy. | |
| RMCybernetics | Thursday, 28th January 2010 8:27pm - No.4208 |
| Space-time may be expanding, but other dimensions do not necessarily have a physical size. Much of this motion got its energy long ago during the big bang. Things will just keep expanding unless some external force prevents it. There is also a mysterious energy that is making the universes expansion accelerate. Something unknown is apparently providing a force to make everything expand faster and faster. In fact less than 5% of all the universe is what we might consider as 'ordinary matter'. The rest is dark matter and dark energy which has never been detected directly. | |
| constantine | Friday, 29th January 2010 1:16am - No.4209 |
| fair point, but still. why are we moving through time in the liner way we seem to be. is there a reason? and what powers it. also if expasion is increasing, is time speeding up? they say in the past the speed of light was faster, possibly as space was more compact and light takes longer now to travel trough the same "volume" (if u will) of space then it did, if the universal acceleration is increasing, will the sspeed of light continue to decrease..... | |
| constantine | Saturday, 30th January 2010 4:15pm - No.4219 |
| does the massive zero point energy thing account for the other 95 percent? or a part of it? | |
| Akiles | Tuesday, 2nd February 2010 8:04pm - No.4225 |
| how can someone knows if they have extra sensory perception , or remote viewing, ? and also how can you tell if someone has the power to sense diferent dimensions of the universe on Earth | |
| RMCybernetics | Wednesday, 3rd February 2010 6:55pm - No.4229 |
| constantine, No, ZPE is self cancelling so the net energy is still 0. It may be that somehow energy is borrowed from this in some phenomenon, but as far as I know there has been no evidence of this. Akiles, You would need to ask your psychiatrist that one. | |
| hmm | Wednesday, 3rd February 2010 10:52pm - No.4235 |
| i find it hard to think that zpe can exert a force of tones, but have a net energy of 0. could it be that it is at equariblium with a net enery of n? we perseve that as 0 as we have no way of calculating it. by the way also wondering. if the background radiation from the big bang can be found anywhare in the universe....how can any point in the universe be considered to have 0 energy | |
| RMCybernetics | Monday, 15th February 2010 2:30pm - No.4255 |
| Force does not need energy. Something sitting on your table is exerting a force on that table and will do so forever. No energy is needed for this. It is the same with the ZPE (Casimir Force). | |
| constantine | Tuesday, 16th February 2010 7:59pm - No.4258 |
| ok. but forse was used to put the cup on the table, its not a good anachronim. I mean to say any forse caused by gravity takes no energy is mad. but that experiment thare zpe pushed the 2 bits of metal together. how wad tht work paidfor? yes I understand about pressues. but just as if you had a world coverd in wind turbines you would have no wind, what changed to account for the energy needed to move those strips. also what I said about background radiation rom big bang. if that echo is vibrating across space, what's it bouncing of. something important there. maybe it is an observable resonance in the fabric of space itself. one and the same with it | |
| RMCybernetics | Friday, 26th February 2010 10:45am - No.4276 |
| It is not mad, a force without acceleration does not require energy. It does however hold potential energy. The work was paid for by the way they set up the experiment. However the arranged the experiment to make the difference would have given the plates sufficient potential energy. The difference in ZPE is what provided the force to do the work. Like separating a pair of magnets and allowing them to pull together again. | |
| constantine | Saturday, 27th February 2010 3:02pm - No.4281 |
| ok. so metaphoricaly speeking they had to exert a lot of energy pulling the plates apart? im with you on that. | |
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